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Housing body accused of ignoring members on insurance scheme ABC News Australian Broadcasting  E-mail
Source: Stateline Victoria Published: Friday, July 2, 2010
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Another industry insider has claimed vested interests are propping up the unpopular builders warranty insurance scheme.

FRANCES BELL, PRESENTER: Victoria's controversial insurance scheme for people building their own home has come in for more criticism. A former branch chair of the industry's peak body, the Housing Industry Association, has attacked the organisation, claiming it has ignored members' concerns about the builders' warranty insurance. Cheryl Hall reports.

PHOTINI PELLETIER, HOMEOWNER: On 3rd May this year, we had a fire in our ceiling. The electrical works are all illegal or non-compliant and it was a time bomb waiting to go off. ...We could have actually died. Our daughter's bedroom is across this way. Had the fire started and the ceiling collapsed, there was just no way that we could actually get hold of our daughter to get her out of there. We don't know what we would have done.

CHERYL HALL, REPORTER: Photini Pelletier has discovered what many other homeowners in Victoria have been surprised to find out: that their builders warranty insurance will not pay up. As last resort insurance, the builder must die, disappear or become insolvent for her to be able to make a claim.

PHOTINI PELLETIER: I'm quite desperate actually at this point because nobody can help us. So, I've called them, I've spoken with a gentleman there who advised me that there's no way you can claim. Your builder is not dead; he's still working, the company's still alive and he hasn't disappeared. However, what you can do is go to Consumer Affairs, go to the Building Commission and take the builder to VCAT.

CHERYL HALL: An Victorian Upper House inquiry has been told the same story by other frustrated homeowners. Now a former official in the housing industry's peak body, the Housing Industry Association, has also given evidence.

RUSSELL JOSEPH, FMR HIA BRANCH CHAIR: Now I contend that HIA have misled all governments regarding their members' actual support of HIA builders warranty policy over the last decade. And as a result of this perceived support, government has understandably been reluctant to reform their policy and for some reason has kept this dog of an insurance product on the books.

CHERYL HALL: As elected chair of the peninsula branch of the HIA, Russell Joseph represented 800 members. He says the vast majority did not support the builders warranty insurance scheme.

RUSSELL JOSEPH: From my experience in my branch this fear of retribution was why 99.9 per cent of the builders refused to make any public or private comment critical of either government, insurer or HIA last resort BWI policy.

CHERYL HALL: That claim was supported by a major Victorian building company, Glenvill Homes, which gave evidence to the inquiry three months ago.

STEPHEN BLOCH, GLENVILL HOMES, (April 9): We were advised by two very senior insurance brokers that unless we pulled our heads in, so to speak, and - that our chances of getting insurance for this year was gonna be compromised.

CHERYL HALL: A letter from Glenvill's insurers, Lumley, after it saw comments by the company, warned, "I hope this does not prejudice other insurers against you. If I were underwriting for another insurer, I would now be a lot more wary on taking on the Glenvill facility."

Russell Joseph told the inquiry that the HIA had made millions of dollars from the scheme. According to evidence at a Senate inquiry, it has made up to $2.7 million a year since 2002, or a total of $18.9 million in the last seven years. It also made $6.1 million a year in licence fees - a total of $42.6 million since 2002.

During the same period, the financial ombudsman's service reports that only 273 consumers have successfully claimed and received a total of $9 million.

RUSSELL JOSEPH: The will needs to be a political will to fix it and I don't understand why it's not there. Suffice to say that I do hold the HIA accountable to some degree. They are by their own confession the peak industry body in Australia, and governments do listen to peak bodies when it comes to this sort of thing. And the HIA have consistently supported last resort builders warranty insurance, even in the face of overwhelming criticism from their own members.

CHERYL HALL: The HIA would not be interviewed about Mr Joseph's claims, but said in a statement the figures were grossly exaggerated. It says in 2007 the HIA received $2.35 million in commissions from home warranty insurance. This was 2.6 per cent of HIA revenue of $88 million.

The HIA says it has surveyed its members and the majority support the current policy.

The Master Builders' Association also supports the last resort system, but says the system's response to disputes could be improved.

BRIAN WELCH, MASTER BUILDER'S ASSOCIATION: There have been issues to do with the three trigger points - death of the builder - that's fairly certain; disappearance or insolvency - probably slightly - some slight issues about those. I think there's scope that the Government could move to tighten those arrangements up to make it a better system.

CHERYL HALL: The State Government took over the building warranty insurance in April after insurance companies pulled out of the market. Brian Welch said it's time the State Government streamlined the process.

BRIAN WELCH: Frankly I'd take this as an opportunity with government bringing it under its control to shift responsibility for the dispute resolution entirely to the Building Commission. There's too many government departments fiddling in this at the present time.

CHERYL HALL: The State Government supports the existing system and says only four per cent of consumers experience a problem with their builder and about 2,000 people seek mediation through building advice and conciliation Victoria each year.

But it's a system that hasn't worked for people like Photini Pelletier who says it would cost her even more money if she went to VCAT.

PHOTINI PELLETIER: Consumer Affairs cannot do anything. They've already told me their hands are tied. I have looked at previous cases where I have found that people have gone to VCAT, either have spent a lot of money and they've copped out, they've said, "OK, I'm dropping the case 'cause we've already spent $100,000."

CHERYL HALL: The Victorian Upper House inquiry is expected to make its recommendations in the next few months. Photini Pelletier is hoping the State Government will act quickly to help her.

PHOTINI PELLETIER: It's regulated, endorsed, supported by the Government. The Government knows exactly how it is, knows exactly what the consumer can and cannot do with this insurance, knows that cowboy builders can actually get away with things. And of course we are left alone, literally neglected, abandoned, every single one of us, and it's pot luck if you get in this position or not. Devastating.

FRANCES BELL: Cheryl Hall reporting there.

 
Builders Survey Form June 2010  E-mail

Remember the HIH crisis? To refresh your memory click on this WA Stateline segment of last Friday:

WA-Stateline-june-2010Indemnity/warranty insurance is a product both the nations builders and consumers don’t need nor want.

The last resort experiment has failed & common sense must prevail.

We cannot and will not allow the State Governments to further impact on builders, their businesses, their staff and most importantly their families with this product that delivers no value to our industry, its management or its consumers.

Years of Government failure, and yet they dare pretend its there to make us responsible and professional!
Where's the money Ralph? - Enough is enough!

Please complete the following survey

Please feel free to forward this to other builders

 
Building Crisis Imminent  E-mail

 

The indemnity/warranty Insurance upheaval will hurt us all


Click on this ABC Stateline segment that was aired on Friday evening the 18th June: http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/06/18/2931328.htm

Whether we like it or not QBE cannot service the nation with this so called consumer protection product that will continue to inflict brand damage to all associated with it including the Governments now that they are underwriting it in NSW and Victoria.

The warranty manager of QBE is the person that has withdrawn twice from giving evidence to the Victorian Upper House Inquiry at the last minute as he was scheduled to appear at 10am on Thursday 17th June 2010.

His conduct is showing contempt for the Parliament, the builders, consumers, and removes any integrity this insurance ever held if it ever held any.

In terms of the insurers gouging it is taking place across the nation and in the WA Stateline segment the figure of $14,000 was for a $1,050,000 home, in NSW try $80,000 for a home value of $1.4Mil, and in Vic $44,000 for a home value of $950,000 in Geelong.

It is unfortunate that greed gets in the way of basic common sense as this is a product both the nations builders and consumers don’t need nor want.

Governments have a duty of care to the wider community and their almost obsessive perseverance with this product that is unable to justify its being is testing the boundaries of common decency to a point where the various Governments conduct may be exposed legally and that’s a position many builders are now asking whether it should be tested as well as the restriction of trade and the gouging.

Clearly there are many smaller builders that may not survive this upheaval.

 
National Warranty Update  E-mail

The Housing Industry Association (HIA) is the nations only supporter of the Warranty Insurance and their position enables Governments to maintain this insidious regime which will see increased red tape and upheaval for most of its registered builders and no improvement for our consumers.

The Facts as known on the 7th June 2010

Victoria: QBE in partnership with the Vic Govt will deliver the warranty from the 31st May

NSW: QBE & Calliden will deliver the warranty on behalf of the Govt from 1st July 2010

WA: QBE & Calliden will deliver privatised warranty as it has been for another 3 years

SA: QBE & Calliden we believe will deliver privatised warranty as it has been for another 3 years

What wll be different and what are the terms & conditions and premiums?

Premiums are yet to be known however significant gouging is taking place.

Securities are still being sought in many cases

Victoria: All builders who had a letter of eligibility from January 2009 will be grandfathered into the new scheme on comparable terms (not the same in all cases) and all others and will be subject to a new assessment.

NSW: All builders who had a letter of eligibility from January 2009 will be grandfathered into the new scheme on comparable terms and all others will be subject to a new assessment. An additional requirement for any builder who has had any form of financial issues will be directed to employ what they have termed a managed option. (Managers of your business)

WA & SA: Should be much the same as before.

Overview

There is no doubt our industry will yet again suffer severely from these new arrangements while our consumers will see no improvement whatsoever. However all States Governments and more specifically the major States will  benefit handsomely as they now become the recipients of the premiums which will increase dramatically while owner & bad builders will further increase to the detriment of our industry. In a nutshell same horse different stable

The HIA is the major warranty insurance broker, and continues to place its commercial interests ahead of those of the builders of this nation.

 

 
The Bumbling Brumby Government  E-mail


 

The bumbling Brumby Government has missed a self-imposed deadline to sort out the warranty insurance scheme that is supposed to protect homebuyers and renovators if their builder fails them. 

Maybe if it did we could find some form of understanding for all this nonsense.

But more importantly Mr Brumby you are now impacting on builders, their businesses, their families, and their ability just to operate and make a living.

All this heartache and anguish for no tangible result except to possibly line the Government coffers.
 
Where are the trade associations in our time of need?

The Herald Sun had their say at this link: 

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/brumby-government-miss-deadline/story-e6frfh4f-1225858541268

 

 

 
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